Parental Filter

ooh, but hurting them for no reason is not called "disciplining " , it's more like a crime . Not even with a good reason a child should not be hurt , but disciplined .
And a child needs to be disciplined -and not hurt - when he did something wrong on purpose, no any other reason should be accepted in order to discipline a child. You cannot punish a child who did a mistake involuntary.

I do not believe in spanking my children, they have been disciplined when they have done wrong but I found that time out and loss of privileges worked best.

Spanking kids for whatever misdeed they do can never be the solution. One of my cousins who was spanked when he was a kid has now really grown disliking his parents and actually does not even listen to good advices from them just becasue he does not anymore value their advices. So it is really crucial to set good examplles and teach kids patiently, understandingly. I do spank my kid, I know, i am no saint. But it is not a regualr thing, just a last resort or time when I become very angry and impatient, and it is my problem, not my kids. So I need to be more patient.

I think this is the key to bringing up kids without having to strike them, yes. Problem is that it seems not nearly enough people have any patience these days and I think it's the kids who end up suffering because of it.

Spanking has it's place but must not be overused or used in anger. And also you need to realize that some kids don't respond to it. I don't think it should be your fall back for every situation, but I don't see a problem with having spanking as ONE of the methods of discipline that you impose.

I personally have not spanked either of my children. I believe there are other methods to disciplining and those are what I use.

I know I'm going to sound archaic here, but give me a listen please.
When you see kids in public and they are totally ignoring their parents, shouting back at them, etc, I can't help but think that a wise swat here and there would have done them a world of good. The parents pleading with their kids and/or resorting to psychobabble are just pathetic. Do they really think their kids are happy being raised this way?

I can understand how you feel, but what you are seeing is poor parenting, they would still be poor parents even if they spanked their kids. It is quite possible to be good assertive parents and have well behaved children without hitting them.